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Fat Phobia and Thin Privilege

  • Apr. 27th, 2009 at 8:26 PM
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Today, ladies and gentlemen, I want to talk to you about fat. Specifically I want to talk to you about fat phobia and thin privilege. It's disturbing to me how many people are unaware or unwilling to believe that fat phobia exists, and how many thin/'average weight' people are either unaware of or refuse to accept the privileges they have over fat people.

So, what is fat phobia, and what is thin privilege? For a start, the 'thin' in 'thin privilege' does not mean "size zero". It means "of 'normal' weight". Some examples: If you can walk into Top Shop, Miss Selfridge or any other high street fashion shop and know their size range includes your clothing size, you have thin privilege. If you can book a flight without fear that other passengers will hope like hell they're not seated next to you or worse, that you will be refused entry to the flight because of your size, you have thin privilege. If you can happily travel by car or bus or train and know that the seat will be built to accommodate your arse, you have thin privilege. If you can visit your doctor without being constantly berated about losing weight and having every physical malady you suffer attributed to your size and nothing else, you have thin privilege.

Fat phobia is thin privilege in action. Fat phobia is the media's insistence on sensationalising the 'obesity epidemic' and consistently and continuously painting fat people as lazy, unhealthy slobs. Fat phobia is in the general public's pervasive and misguided belief that fat automatically means unhealthy (I'll come back to that later). Fat phobia is in the refusal of clothing manufacturers to accommodate fat people when designing clothes, meaning that the majority of us end up spending twice as much in our 'specialty shops' as a thin person would on the high street. Fat phobia is in the medical professionals too lazy and indoctrinated to do their jobs, instead sending us away every single time with the instruction that if we lose weight, we will magically no longer be depressed/have CFS/have a broken leg (I'm kidding, sort of, but it really is that bad). Fat phobia is this society, which operates on a fat=bad belief and systematically beats down anybody who dares to disagree.

Many of my thin friends - women especially, women whom I otherwise think of as good, intelligent, progressive women - get massively defensive when I talk about fat phobia and thin privilege. "But skinny people are oppressed toooooooo!" I hear. Yeah, I get it. You went into a shop and ZOMG that top was too short/hung wrong on you. But do you know what? I didn't even bother going in, because I knew I was four sizes larger than even the largest size they offer. You tell me you know how I feel because that top 'didn't fit you right'. We have totally different ideas on what 'doesn't fit' means. To you, it means it didn't flatter you. To me, it means it didn't actually cover the intended body part. You were walking along the road and someone shouted that you were too skinny, or told you to put some meat on your bones, or blah blah blah? It is not the same as having the entire world consider you evil, the bane of society, and too stupid to know what's good for you.

I said I'd come back to fat=unhealthy and how fucking ridiculous that is. I was going to in this paragraph, and then realised that Kate Harding said everything I wanted to say, and far more articulately than I could have hoped. I suggest you go and read her post before you comment with a ridiculous and misguided statement like "Don’t you know there’s an obesity epidemic?" "Don’t you know that fat kills?" "Haven’t you ever heard of Type 2 diabetes?" "Don’t you realize how much money this is going to cost society down the line?" "Won’t someone please think of the children?"

Here in the UK, at this very moment, there are politicians who want to make obese people pay for their NHS treatment. Many of you might well be going "as well they should, fat people bring it all on themselves!" Well quite aside from the fact that as I've discussed, fat people are no more unhealthy than thin people, think about it properly for a second. How would you put that into practice? Firstly, would obese people have to pay for all their medical treatment, or just the stuff that could be caused by unhealthy eating/lack of exercise? How would you determine what caused what? Would thin people also be charged for things that could be caused by unhealthy eating/lack of exercise? How about this - how would you determine how 'fat' someone had to be before they were required to pay?

BMI, you say? Well quite aside from the fact that the Body Mass Index is a crock of shite, you'd then have a hell of a lot of athletes (many of whom are considered 'obese' according to their BMI because of their muscular build) being asked to pay for their NHS treatment. Using the BMI, it's utterly unpoliceable. The only way to do it would be to go into intimate and personal details or by looking at people. He's a fattie, make him pay. She looks thin, give it her for free, even though it's entirely possible her take-away diet is the cause of her heart attack. And aside from all that, the whole point of the NHS is that it is fair and accessible to all. The heroin addict who's dying of an overdose has exactly the same right to have his life saved as the nun who's fallen down a ladder. It's universal health care. If you start making fatties pay, where do you stop? Alcoholics? People who don't visit a gym three times a week? People who don't eat their 'five-a-day'? People who break their leg while skiing or horseriding (after all, you brought it on yourself by participating in a dangerous sport!)?

Of course some fat people are unhealthy. Some thin people are unheallthy too. It really chaps my hide that fat people are immediately considered unhealthy when I, all sixteen-and-a-half gloriously wobbly stone of me, eat better and am more active than every single thin/'normal weight' person I know. A thin person who eats nothing but greasy take-away is still considered 'healthy' because of their thinness, as long as they don't divulge their earing habits. But the thin person is thin! so people/doctors generally won't bother asking about their eating habits because they don't think they need to! I on the other hand, on my home-cooked, all-vegetarian, low-fat, high-fibre diet, am not only questioned but disbelieved when I explain my eating habits. You can almost see their thoughts behind her eyes. "If she really ate that healthily, she wouldn't be fat. She must be stuffing her face with crap and too embarrassed to admit it."

And you know what? I shouldn't have to explain my eating habits to anyone. I shouldn't have to feel like, in fact, know that, people immediately put me in the category of 'unfit' and 'unhealthy' just by looking at me. I shouldn't have to put up with total strangers and 'well-meaning' friends and family members offering unsolicited advice on how I can make myself small enough to fit into their version of 'healthy/attractive'. I shouldn't be expected to starve myself and make myself miserable in an attempt to shrink myself that will not work before a doctor will take me seriously and give me the treatment I need. In short, I should not be treated as subhuman simply because my size doesn't please people.

And you thin people? Yes you, and you, and you over there thinking "but I'm not thin, I have a bit of a belly and I want to lose ten pounds!"? A lot of the time you are part of the problem. I've written before about listening to people go on about their weight, and admittedly I was in a shocking mood when I wrote it. But the sentiment remains the same. When you say "I'm so fat" or "I feel fat", the unspoken ending to that sentence is "...and that's a bad thing." And by implying that fat is a bad thing, you are insulting me.

I don't care how many times you tell me "But I don't mean you!" or "But you're not that fat!" or even "It's fine for other people but I'd feel better if I was thinner!" - you are being fucking offensive. By implying that fat is a bad thing - even the tiny amount you have on your skinny ass - by saying fat is bad you are saying there is something wrong with being fat, and if you are saying there is something wrong with being fat you are saying there is something wrong with fat people, and if you are saying there is something wrong with fat people you are saying there is something wrong with me. However you try to paint it, every time you moan about how 'fat' you are, it is a personal insult because of all those unspoken implications which you'll tell me you don't mean but they are there.

Want to know how you, thin or 'average-weight' person (yes you, in the corner still muttering about those ten extra pounds, I mean you), can be an ally to fat people? Stop moaning about being fat. If you want to exercise and eat well, then that's a really good thing and I'm happy for you that you want to be healthy. But don't make it about fat. Don't talk about how so-and-so has put on weight. Don't listen to people who gossip about other people's weight. Stop telling fat people that you know just how they feel unless you are or have been a fat person. You don't. I know you think you do, but you can't and you don't. Stop seeing fat as the ultimate evil. Stop saying "oh, I can't eat that, I'm on a diet." Diets don't work! No, not even if you call them 'lifestyle changes'! By going on a diet when you're of average size, you're perpetuating the fat=bad belief, and (here I go again) being personally insulting. Stop talking about the 'eeeevil obesity epidemic!!!1!', stop blindly believing what you've been spoon-fed about obesity and health.

Most importantly, stop shaming fat people. Seriously, if shaming us made us thin, there wouldn't be a single fat person left in the world. That means not offering fat people advice on 'how to lose weight', especially unsolicited advice. It means not talking as if being fat is the worst thing that could possibly happen to you. It means not poking your fourteen-year-old niece in the belly and telling her she's filling out. It means not behaving and talking like a privileged asshole when you're talking about weight, be it your own or someone else's.

With a bit of common sense and intelligence, we could erase fat phobia entirely. It starts with me. It starts with you. It starts with everybody who gives a shit about truth and dignity. It starts with every person who is willing to take a stand, to call people out on their fat jokes, to question the status quo, to stand up to their doctor when he or she starts spouting untruths about obesity and health, to accept their weight and stop seeing fat as the enemy. It's not. Hatred is the enemy, misinformation is the enemy, the media with its obsession with flat bellies and non-existent arses is the enemy. Say it with me. Fat is not the enemy. Fat is not the enemy. Fat is not the enemy, and I for one will not treat it as the enemy for one minute longer.

Comments

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[info]felflowne wrote:
Apr. 27th, 2009 10:08 pm (UTC)
I could say a lot here, but I will just say this. I am overweight. According to my doctor, I am obese.

I know I am overweight, and I know that every ounce I am over the weight my body was designed for, the more strain I am placing on my organs and my joints. I have suffered many times from pulled muscles and stabbing pains because of the combination of my extra weight and general bad health.

Maybe that's what I'm trying to say. For me at least, it's not so much the fat that's unhealthy, it's the extra weight that said fat loads onto my creaky bones.
[info]lisaquestions wrote:
Apr. 27th, 2009 11:08 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I agree with all of this.

I've seen so many fat-shaming discussions lately - especially around airline seats - that it's just outrageous.

I'm not thin, either, and finding clothes I can wear is a real adventure. By "real adventure" I mean an exercise in frustration. :(

[info]ghostlove wrote:
Apr. 28th, 2009 10:15 pm (UTC)
Tell me about it - I started wearing men's clothing about a year ago because it consistently comes in bigger sizes and costs less. Why do men get all the practical clothes with decent-sized pockets and sleeves that cover more than a centimeter?! I'm having a bit of a palaver at the moment though because my friend's getting married on Friday and I have no smart clothes. Which means I have to go clothes shopping in women's shops. It's going to be a nightmare. :o(
[info]rose_saignant wrote:
Apr. 28th, 2009 12:04 am (UTC)
Well said!!! Great blog entry, I am currently writing a dissertation essay on fattism in the media so was a very interesting read for me :)

PS - I found you through nakedfaery's journal and she has always spoken very highly of you, would you mind if I added you?
[info]ghostlove wrote:
Apr. 28th, 2009 10:13 pm (UTC)
Sure thing, pleased to meet you. :D
[info]miz_evolution wrote:
Apr. 28th, 2009 03:35 am (UTC)
agreed. thin priv absolutely exists as does fat phobia- no question. and for real, browbeating people about anything hardly endears them to ones point of view- weight included.

and the BMI is utter shit.
[info]ghostlove wrote:
Apr. 28th, 2009 10:13 pm (UTC)
Cheers. :o)
[info]rhondalicious wrote:
Apr. 28th, 2009 02:04 pm (UTC)
I wish my fat phobic, super-fat father would quit making me feel ashamed of the 50 lbs I've put on since having babies.
[info]ghostlove wrote:
Apr. 28th, 2009 10:13 pm (UTC)
It's worse when it's family as well. I think there's some sexism at play too - it's far more 'socially acceptable' to be a fat man than a fat woman. I'm sorry your dad is such an arse to you. :o(
[info]rhondalicious wrote:
Apr. 28th, 2009 11:03 pm (UTC)
I agree, nobody gives my father guff for being fat, he feels no real pressure to diet or exercise, because to everyone else, he's the "funny fat guy"... But I see him dying early, because he is fat and unhealthy, wheras I am fat and healthy (though we can't figure out why I'm gaining weight again, I'm off the steroids for my ears, and on vitamin D, oh well!)

I also wish that swimsuit companies wouldn't treat me like a second class citizen - I really wanted a tan-through suit, and the company I emailed regarding a suit style I know would flatter me, flat out said they would never make a suit in a size larger than a 13. As if anyone above that size is just a hideous monster who doesn't deserve a good tan! Luckily I found a different company that makes them up to a size "20" (more like 16, but hey, at least it will fit me!).

It's also hard being fatter and an hourglass, because apple girls I know will tell me I don't have it hard like them, and skinny girls I know think I should just wear tent clothes anyhow. At least my husband is getting into the "Fat" boat - he is totally not fat (yet) but he is borderline BMI overweight and now the doctor is hassling him (Said to cure his anxiety related chest problems, he should just go run a marathon!)
[info]thedilettante wrote:
Apr. 28th, 2009 02:33 pm (UTC)
Broken leg isn't that far fetched. I've had my weak ankle (which was first injured when I was 15, thin and athletic and continued to be weak for years of being quite thin) blamed on the weight I put on it by standing up.
[info]ghostlove wrote:
Apr. 28th, 2009 10:12 pm (UTC)
I literally laughed with joy when my doctor told me that my chondromalacia patellae (chronic knee pain caused by the deterioration of cartilage on the underside of the kneecaps) was most probably caused by my athleticism as a child. Especially as people (including other doctors) kept telling me "your knees hurt 'cos you're fat!" I was like "In your face suckers!" ;o)
[info]meeow712 wrote:
Apr. 28th, 2009 02:47 pm (UTC)
So well said! As another "fat" person that eats healthily, the fobia drives me insane. Some people can be asses.
Luckily, I've found quite a few people that love my curves and my body just the way it is.

Nakedfaery linked to your post and she's always said great things about you - is it ok if I friend you?
[info]ghostlove wrote:
Apr. 28th, 2009 10:10 pm (UTC)
Thanks for your kind words. Of course it's okay. :o)
[info]angryangeltoo wrote:
Apr. 28th, 2009 03:31 pm (UTC)
Snugs
Thank you hunni, that put a smile on my face today :D
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[info]ghostlove wrote:
Apr. 28th, 2009 10:09 pm (UTC)
Re: Snugs
I'm glad it did. I was thinking of you at one point when I wrote this actually, remembering you writing about some snotty woman in H&M (?) telling you "you'd look silly in one of those little dresses!" That anecdote has always stuck with me and still serves to fill me with righteous anger. ;oP
[info]trev_sheep wrote:
Apr. 28th, 2009 10:02 pm (UTC)
Wow. That's really enlightened me! Really good blog, v informative. I never really thought about thin privelege before, but then I realised that all the clothes shops around are basically for sizes 8-16. There isn't anything for older people, larger people, or people in general who don't fit into that category. Surely, people who build things, like aeroplanes and such should realise that larger people are always gonna be around, and should accommodate for them?

As well, with larger people (I can't say the word 'fat' now, as you've made me paranoid that I'm gonna offend someone!), I can't say I've ever had a problem. I see lazyness as a negative thing in some cases, especially when it leads to extreme obesity, as in the 'half-ton son', did you see that programme? But I like to think that I've never been negative about obesity. One of my close friends through senior school wasn't particularly skinny, and I've never really thought about anyone's weight being an issue. I can't say that if I reach 11 stone that I won't try to slim down, but that's just me, raised with all the media bullshit being dumped in my head day after day, and not really thinking about it v often, until you write a corker of an article like you have today!

Anyway, ramble over...
[info]ghostlove wrote:
Apr. 28th, 2009 10:08 pm (UTC)
To me, and a lot of the other fat people I know, fat isn't an offensive word used in the right context. It's just an adjective, a word used to describe a person or object. I'm tall, I'm white, I'm brunette, I'm fat. :o) Of course the majority of people, fat and thin, still think of 'fat' as an insulting word. It took me a long time to reclaim it and become comfortable with it!

The funny thing is that when I use it to describe my shape, people get all silly. "You're not fat!" they cry, "Don't be so horrible about yourself!" To which my only reply is, if I described myself as tall, would you say "You're not tall! Don't be so horrible about yourself!" - it's just an adjective, and it's one that applies to me. :o)
[info]cangetmad wrote:
Apr. 29th, 2009 07:18 am (UTC)
I can't help thinking that my reply to you the other day had something to do with this post. If so, or if not, actually, I'm sorry I was offensive. You've made me think. Apart from anything else, about how stupid I was being, since I was actually saying that I'm fitter and stronger than I was when I was thinner.

Apologies.
[info]ghostlove wrote:
Apr. 29th, 2009 07:33 am (UTC)
It really wasn't - I'm actually not even sure which reply you mean! Thank you anyway though. ;oP
[info]1ngi wrote:
Apr. 29th, 2009 10:17 pm (UTC)
May I link to this?
Cor - what a post. Wandered over here to find out a little more about you from TLL and thought this was awesome.

I'm very concerned about fat-hate at the mo. I feel worse about myself at a size 22 than I did 7 years ago at size 30. I've got smaller and the world has got nastier. I'm trying to marshal expressions of this to help out what is going on in my head - you've already done it.
[info]ghostlove wrote:
Apr. 29th, 2009 10:21 pm (UTC)
Re: May I link to this?
Of course! Thanks for dropping by and telling me how you felt, too. :o)
[info]elfie_the_gerbi wrote:
May. 2nd, 2009 12:35 pm (UTC)
Hi Anji,

I just wrote about this on The F word, and I've linked to your post- it's amazing!!

Suzi
[info]ghostlove wrote:
May. 2nd, 2009 12:36 pm (UTC)
Thanks Suzi - I read your post and it really resonated, and seeing as I only wrote this a few days before your post I was glad to see I'm not the only person who thinks this is an important issue right now. :o) Thanks for the link, too. :D
[info]elfie_the_gerbi wrote:
May. 6th, 2009 10:06 pm (UTC)
Hi Anji,

Hope you don't mind but I've linked to you again- this time from my very modest and somewhat unread blog at www.femacadem.net. There's alos a link in that piece to an awesome peice that Amanata and screaming the void wrote about fat hatred in the blogosphere.

Sxx
(Anonymous) wrote:
May. 2nd, 2009 09:55 pm (UTC)
Re: Thin privilege
Hi Anji from your American Fan,

Can you post here on your blog the post you wrote for live journal about friends and others who go on incessantly about weight? I am dying to read it. I have a very close friend whom I finally told to shut the fuck up (and not in a nice way, because I kept it bottled up way too long) about her very modest weight gain and her friend who lost so much weight. Every little detail about her friend, on and on and on, constantly. What you wrote about it being a personal insult hit so close to home. My friend just couldn't understand this, and of course whipped out the "you are not fat!" to me. Goddamnit, I am fat and am reminded every single day in a 1000 different ways.

Also, one of my closest friends yesterday emailed me an article on drinking diet cola and obesity, and said "she hoped I didn't take offense", but she is "concerned" about me. BTW - she is 15 years younger, and doesn't have fibro, menopause and suffer from extreme stress from unemployment like I do, but of course the implication is that if I just stopped drinking diet cola, I wouldn't be fat (I have been drinking it for 30 years; my weight gain is very recent due to the other conditions). So it is totally my fault why I am fat. I am so angry and hurt, I don't even know how to respond to her.

Anyways, thanks for this. It was very cathartic for me and I am sure others.
[info]ghostlove wrote:
May. 2nd, 2009 10:23 pm (UTC)
Re: Thin privilege
Hello Anonymous American Fan, it's very nice to hear from you. :o) The post in question is here - I unlocked it just for you. ;oP Also, you will probably enjoy Joy Nash's A Fat Rant, which is just wonderful to draw from in those situations. :o)
[info]kitrinlu wrote:
May. 3rd, 2009 02:51 am (UTC)
Hi Anji,

I found you via a post on The F Word, which I found via Womanist Musings, so a very roundabout way of doing things :)

This was a brilliant, well-written and inspiring post. Thank you for putting things so clearly, and especially for your thoughts on how insulting it is when people complain about wanting to lose weight.

Obviously you don't know me from a hole in the ground, but I was wondering if I could friend you. My journal is entirely public if you want to check me out, and no worries if you'd rather say no - you just sounded like an interesting person, and I'd like to hear more :)
[info]ghostlove wrote:
May. 20th, 2009 10:01 am (UTC)
Of course you can, it's very nice to meet you. Thanks for your kind comments. :o)
[info]goatsfoot wrote:
May. 3rd, 2009 12:38 pm (UTC)
Hi, I wandered over here from the F Word and I just wanna say that this article is fierce and amazing. Don't ever stop writing. I'm glad more people get what you're saying here than on the F Word article that linked to you, I *eyerolled* a lot at the I'm so oppressed and skinny comments. I will be referring people along to your post! x
[info]ghostlove wrote:
May. 20th, 2009 10:01 am (UTC)
Thanks so much! <3
[info]eexposed wrote:
May. 20th, 2009 03:28 am (UTC)
Amazing post! I found you through VP, and what you say here definitely caught my eye, every bit of it.

I remember as a younger kid, I was on holiday in Ireland with my dad and ended up with a fever, so we took a trip to the doctor, and after he finished taking my temperature and scribbling out a prescription, he launched into a long lecture about how I need to lose weight in order to avoid getting sick again! Being a young kid, it didn't really occur to me the absurdity of the statement - my immune system is poor solely because I am overweight. Hmm...

Anyway, this was completely excellent reading, and very well-worded in all respects. Would you mind if I add you, perhaps? :)
[info]ghostlove wrote:
May. 20th, 2009 10:01 am (UTC)
Of course not, add away. I love meeting new people, especially fat-positive ones. :D
[info]mirabehn wrote:
Jun. 2nd, 2009 10:44 am (UTC)
Came here from TLL, and this is a wonderful article.

I'm a thin person, and am usually quite good at being aware of my privilege, but it's always worthwhile being reminded of the details and the attitudes that I still need to remove from my brain, and generally how to be a good ally. :-)

Wrt getting annoyed at "normal"-sized people who complain about being too fat, there I can relate, albeit from a different point of view. Up until about a year ago I was clinically (very slightly) underweight, and had been for a decade, due to having ME/CFS. It didn't suit me, and it was anything but a sign of health. When I was an undergraduate I was always being excessively complimented on how "lovely and thin" I was and had people bemoan how "terribly fat" they were, by utterly gorgeous women who couldn't have been more than a size 14 in any case. I found it really quite upsetting, though I never managed to find the courage (or the rudeness!) to say, "well, do you want to swap...?!"

Since turning 30 I seem to be finally able to move out of being that thin and into more the "normal" range (more a size 10-12 rather than an 8-10), and I absolutely love it. It completely boggles me (and depresses me) though that there are people the same size as I am who are probably on diets.

Anyway, I know that even so, I've never experienced what you have, and probably I need to stop at this point lest I derail the conversation and make it All About Poor Thin Me! Even when I was unhappy with being so thin, I still had thin privilege and the knowledge that I was getting drastically advantaged wherever I went (as indeed I still am).

As I say: wonderful post, and thank you for writing it. I've really enjoyed it.

(And kateharding.net is *wonderful*. I love her stuff. :-))
[info]ghostlove wrote:
Jun. 2nd, 2009 12:34 pm (UTC)
No - your experience is important too, and just as valid as mine! It's an interesting example of how someone can have thin privilege while simultaneously being attacked by fatphobia. It's not an experience I've ever had - I've been a thin-average-weight person but never a thin-underweight person, so I've never seen it from that side personally. Thanks for sharing your experiences. :o)

Thanks for dropping by, too. I'm glad you liked the post. :D
[info]daseg wrote:
Nov. 23rd, 2009 02:24 pm (UTC)
Thank you very much for this post. I took the liberty and translated it into Russian for those who don't read in English. In Russia the situation is absolutely the same - the media, the shops, everything.

Linked to your post, of course.
[info]ghostlove wrote:
Nov. 23rd, 2009 02:26 pm (UTC)
Oh, interesting! Do you have a link to your translated version? Also, would you mind very much linking to the version on my specific feminist blog as it's likely that my public posts here will be made friends-only at some point. :o)
[info]daseg wrote:
Nov. 23rd, 2009 02:33 pm (UTC)
Yeah, here it is.

I can't find the version on the feminist blog :( Do you mind if I copy the text and link to that blog anyway?
[info]ghostlove wrote:
Nov. 23rd, 2009 02:43 pm (UTC)
Damn, I gave you the wrong link. Should have been this one: http://shutupsitdown.co.uk/2009/08/19/fat-phobia-and-thin-privilege/ :o)
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